Nuking Overly Specific Mario Costume Tags

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I haven't had time to read the whole thread carefully, but here's a quick rundown of the designs mentioned in OP:

  • NES Open Tournament Golf (1991): Peach and Daisy early sports dresses. Look like their formal princess dresses, but shorter and with no crown.
  • Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (2003): Modern era Peach dress and Daisy shorts.
  • Mario Hoops 3-on-3 (2006): Daisy looks the same as Toadstool Tour. The tag should be an uncontroversial merge with that design.
  • Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash (2015): Rosalina sports dress. It doesn't seem to be used for any other game.
  • Mario Tennis Aces (2018): Peach and Daisy's clothes look about identical to Toadstool Tour, but they have armbands and different shoes.
  • Mario Golf: Super Rush (2021): Mario and Luigi reuse the visors from Aces, but have zipped shirts instead of buttoned shirts, pants instead of shorts, and different shoes. Peach and Daisy have new outfits with skirts, instead of a dress or a shirt plus shorts. Wario's and Waluigi's outfits are probably new to this game.

IMO any characters with sports outfits should have at least one tag for them. For Mario, Luigi, Peach and Daisy, split between classic sports and modern. I don't really have opinions on tagging the Super Rush designs, but if they are given a unique name, or make another appearance, then I feel that's a good reason for a tag.

Damian0358 said:

And also forgot to deal with the wikis, orphaning them.

Point taken on the orphaned wikis. That was an oversight.

However, the larger discussion here seems to be losing sight of the most critical principle of this site: the user experience. The core philosophy of Danbooru, articulated repeatedly by evazion, is to make finding art as intuitive and easy as possible. Many of the recent arguments in favor of nuking these tags directly contradict this principle by advocating for systems that are confusing, inconsistent, and user-hostile.

Damian0358 said:

Kalp, I know you're trying to keep your argument consistent, but have you actually looked at the Worldwide Miku searches? ... That's why everyone 'ignored' what evazion said...

You are fundamentally misinterpreting the crux of evazion’s argument in that thread. The entire point was about intuitiveness for the end user. He was explicitly arguing against forcing users into complex, non-obvious searches. To quote him directly, because this is critical:

evazion said:

Don't make me do something like worldwide_miku puerto_rico. A regular user is not going to be able to figure that out.

Source: forum #304070

You are ignoring his central point while claiming he was ignored. I—and more importantly, evazion—argued against a worldwide_miku parent tag precisely because it's unintuitive. I am going to break down his post with forensic detail, since my previous attempts at explaining this have been sidestepped.

When evazion made that post on 2024-08-29 at 15:24:36, the puerto_rican_miku tag he linked had twelve images, encompassing two distinct designs, one by "Brujita" and one by "jomyw". His argument was that a simple, single tag—puerto_rican_miku—is the most intuitive way for a user to find both of them. He was not arguing for a worldwide_miku tag a mandatory search token; he was arguing against it in favor of specific, discoverable tags for regional Miku designs. This is the exact same principle I have applied to Super Crown transformations, where bowsette encompasses multiple fan designs under one intuitive tag, and we still use tags like princess_piranha_plant, bloopette, princess_thwomp, so on, and so forth for Super Crown transformations because it makes search easier.

This pedantic gatekeeping of tags is objectively making the site harder to use.

Damian0358 said:

The average casual user doesn't even have an account on Danbooru to be able to tag with and doesn't even consider checking things like 'the forum'... and you're making it very obvious that you're just injecting your mindset into this hypothetical user...

You've completely ignored the journey of "NormieMcNormington" and his confusion when faced with a mario_party_2 copyright tag and no accompanying outfit tag. You have demonstrated, both here and in the Miku thread, that the end-user experience is not a priority. It's more fun to construct mazes for users, new and old, to get lost in.

The average user should not need to know a single thing about the internal game mechanics of Super Mario Odyssey versus Mario Kart World versus Mario Party. Your explanations of how costumes are selected in-game are entirely irrelevant. The user sees an outfit. They should be able to find it with a tag for that outfit. The alternative you propose is that when someone searches for Luigi in his explorer outfit, they should be redirected to the forums so we can explain the intricate workings of the entire Mario franchise's costume systems to them, and why some costumes get tags and some don't.

Knowledge Seeker said:

...arbitrarily split up based on subtle differences no one who'd actually want to see these actually cares about

"No one?" What, are the six other users opposing the nuke "nobodies"? I want to see them. I care about them. Danbooru is a database where we tag what is visually present in the image, and alternate costumes with a unique design featured in more than one post should get a tag. The Mario franchise is colossal and has hundreds of official alternate costumes spanning a course of 40+ years, and there are 25 thousand artworks depicting the series on Danbooru. I created tags to make it easier to find specific costumes, and you are trying to purge or merge them for reasons that actively make the site harder to navigate.

Why are you all making these insane logical leaps to justify making it harder to find things?

A user should be able to search for a specific costume by clicking a single tag. Is that really so crazy?

Updated by KalpacMuskoxen

KalpacMuskoxen said:

You are fundamentally misinterpreting the crux of evazion’s argument in that thread. The entire point was about intuitiveness for the end user. He was explicitly arguing against forcing users into complex, non-obvious searches. To quote him directly, because this is critical:

Source: forum #304070

You are ignoring his central point while claiming he was ignored. I—and more importantly, evazion—argued against a worldwide_miku parent tag precisely because it's unintuitive. I am going to break down his post with forensic detail, since my previous attempts at explaining this have been sidestepped.

When evazion made that post on 2024-08-29 at 15:24:36, the puerto_rican_miku tag he linked had twelve images, encompassing two distinct designs, one by "Brujita" and one by "jomyw". His argument was that a simple, single tag—puerto_rican_miku—is the most intuitive way for a user to find both of them. He was not arguing for a worldwide_miku tag a mandatory search token; he was arguing against it in favor of specific, discoverable tags for regional Miku designs. This is the exact same principle I have applied to Super Crown transformations, where bowsette encompasses multiple fan designs under one intuitive tag, and we still use tags like princess_piranha_plant, bloopette, princess_thwomp, so on, and so forth for Super Crown transformations because it makes search easier.

I'm not misinterpreting, that would imply I'm either not getting his point or trying to make his point seem different from what it is. I disagree with evazion's opinion here, and clearly many others do. Again, that's why everyone 'ignored' evazion. And you're still wrong about Super Crown because the vast majority of Bowsette's tag consists of ayyk92's design or those derivative of them. And I'm also not going to take seriously your insistance on tagging Super Crown posts like that when this wasn't even discussed in its original topic #15603, it's another thing that you pushed unilaterally without discussion. Before Princess Chain Chomp got a consistent design, people talked about how her tag should be nuked in that thread. You trying to use Super Crown to validate your points is like Ron Swanson showing his permit in Parks and Recreation.

Just because an admin says or believes something doesn't mean everyone else will agree. Anyone following the otokonoko discussion would remember when NNT expressed his dislike of using Japanese terms in specific circumstances, with paizuri brought up and him responding that he'd want it changed too just like otokonoko, resulting in topic #32399. Despite him agreeing with the rename on principle, because it was so overwhelmingly downvoted, he rejected the rename.

You've completely ignored the journey of "NormieMcNormington" and his confusion when faced with a mario_party_2 copyright tag and no accompanying outfit tag. You have demonstrated, both here and in the Miku thread, that the end-user experience is not a priority. It's more fun to construct mazes for users, new and old, to get lost in.

Yes, I ignored it because "NormieMcNormington" is just you in a mask. If this was something that would earnestly happen, we would see an explosion of costume tags on other booru websites. Gelbooru et al are seen as less gatekeepy, so by that logic, we should see costume tags there we would've never conceived of here.

But we don't. The real NormieMcNormington's journey would've ended at "Oh, it appears in Mystery Land," the real NormieMcNormington would not have thought "Why doesn't this costume have a tag?", he might not even had thought to make a comment under the post saying that Mario Party 2's boards give the characters unique costumes, he would've just gone "Oh, it appears in Mystery Land, that's neat" and had moved on with their life. To insist otherwise would, quite literally, not make him NormieMcNormington anymore. That's why it's just you in a mask, you're using the veil of a normie of your imagining to push your opinion, perscribing your view of the situation as the one of the silent majority of users, and that's dishonest, especially since you already made your point of the tags making searching more accessible, you didn't have to do this.

However, the larger discussion here seems to be losing sight of the most critical principle of this site: the user experience. The core philosophy of Danbooru, articulated repeatedly by evazion, is to make finding art as intuitive and easy as possible. Many of the recent arguments in favor of nuking these tags directly contradict this principle by advocating for systems that are confusing, inconsistent, and user-hostile.

This pedantic gatekeeping of tags is objectively making the site harder to use.

If the system is that confusing, inconsistent, and user-hostile, again, we would see divergences from practice on other boorus which reupload from Danbooru. Gelbooru has diverged from Danbooru, for instance, on the issue of 1futa; while we had otokonoko for many years, at least one of the rule34 boorus still had an existing trap tag, which was later then used as one of many things to justify renaming the tag here. But in terms of costume tagging, not only have they remained aligned, but I don't think they even have an interest in perpetuating their own.

Are we also going to start tagging Nintendo on every Mario post because people searching that tag expect to see Mario and all of Nintendo's other franchises? topic #31268 recognizes that the average normie expects this, but tagging-wise it doesn't make sense, and we chose to keep the status quo over the option you might recognize as more user-friendly.

The average user should not need to know a single thing about the internal game mechanics of Super Mario Odyssey versus Mario Kart World versus Mario Party. Your explanations of how costumes are selected in-game are entirely irrelevant. The user sees an outfit. They should be able to find it with a tag for that outfit. The alternative you propose is that when someone searches for Luigi in his explorer outfit, they should be redirected to the forums so we can explain the intricate workings of the entire Mario franchise's costume systems to them, and why some costumes get tags and some don't.

Whether or not you view it as relevant, it is fact that it is the status quo. If this weren't the case, we would see Shounen Jump characters with tons of costume chartags - Android 18 has at least 5 different outfits she's associated with in Dragon Ball Z, and at least two in Dragon Ball Super, but no one has made chartags for those or even actively pushed for them since the trend of costume chartags began; because this started as a video game tagging trend, and specifically a video game tagging trend from games where you buy the costumes. One sees that the vast majority of costume tags are associated with those sorts of things and you have an implicit understanding of how things work. From there, it got adopted to games where you can just get the costumes by unlocking them in-game, but has largely yet to go to games where you just implicitly have different costumes which you get depending on the situation. Anyone who has played video games can see the difference between these three conditions, and you'd assume that the user at least has some idea of the copyright in question (thereby knowing Odyssey and World have unlockable costumes, which itself is a rarity in the franchise [thereby implying Mario Party 2 doesn't]; same as with knowing Fate/Grand Order has acquirable costumes and Fate/Stay Night doesn't). And if they don't, because they don't know, no problem, someone who does can step in after they uploaded and rectify that.

The traditional principle for finding a character's unique appearance in a specific entry in their franchise has been to use the copytag. If a user sees Luigi in an explorer outfit and the post has Mario Party 2 tagged on it, it is anticipated that they'd be able to put two and two together. Several copytags on Danbooru exist solely for this purpose. By your wording, that is the alternative I propose, not forcing them into the forum to find out why things are like this because they weren't even wondering that to begin with! That's why you have a valid point on some of the sports costumes due to them not being unique to one game, as that principle breaks down in that case, so that aids in justifying their existence.

And, to shift the discussion back to an earlier point of you opposing merging some of the tags in this topic together, it's not like people haven't complained about redundant costume tags before. Mythra (Massive Melee) (Xenoblade) remains controversial specifically because of that to this day, and the most prominent opponent of the tag is a Gelbooru admin, one who pushed for 1futa on Gelbooru.

I created tags to make it easier to find specific costumes, and you are trying to purge or merge them for reasons that actively make the site harder to navigate.

Why are you all making these insane logical leaps to justify making it harder to find things?

A user should be able to search for a specific costume by clicking a single tag. Is that really so crazy?

Yes, it is. If this were valid in all cases, evazion would not have nuked the Padme Amidala costume tags (forum #336887) or the Strawberry Shortcake era costume tags (forum #332973), because every argument you have used so far to justify the existence of your tags can be applied here too. As evazion said this year, "Just because we have tags for culturally significant things like Huttslayer Leia doesn't mean we need tags for every insignificant outfit of every character."

Updated by Damian0358

If we want to talk average user experience, the average user would probably actually be confused as to why post #6161474 and post #8858728 can't be found in the same search. Oh wait, silly me, one's a dress and one's a skirt set. Nevermind!

Ngl Kaplac, in my opinion your best chance of salvaging any of these tags is to propose aliasing the similar-looking ones from different games together and accepting that the remaining ones that are currently in only 1 game are getting nuked. Again, in my opinion.

No one has been able to justify these tags' existence beyond "Uh...Just because they exist", and the attempts beyond that ended up being very flimsy themselves. And even proposals that could save some of them are rejected because, apparently, it's mega important to know if Peach is wearing a dress or a shirt + shorts combo you can't even tell apart in an upper body post? (You can't actually be serious, right?)

It's not at all surprising to me, to see that every opponent of this BUR is builder+. If it really mattered that much, you'd see random members popping in to downvote the nuke BUR too, which simply isn't happening. If the tags were really as important as you claim, you'd be seeing active protest from regular people who don't frequent the forums like when we tried to nuke unwanted creampie. The fact actual Normie Mcnormingtons aren't making their opinion known here tells me that these tags simply don't matter to them (if they even knew about them in the first place).

My view: there is something that I noticed quickly about Mario tagging a long time ago from first engaging with this site: there is a general less proactive desire to copyright tag compared to some other franchises. Most uploaders consistently fail to properly copyright tag for various reasons and many images in general do not fit neatly in certain copyrights. This is likely due to a large portion of the mario series having recurring elements to the point where tying them down to just a single copyright is too restrictive since they appear in so many games. This has caused some (myself included) to over course correct: the constant bombardment of copyright tagging just so that certain aspects (like character designs) can be found easily and don't get lost in the ether, even if the copyright tag may not neatly fit or is superfluous (because many of these outfits appear in multiple games).

For example: post #7097835 is tagged "Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games". Most of Daisy images in this outfit are tagged as such. Why? The answer is simple: it's one of the first times that outfit for her appears. But notice how the image in question actually has little that pertains it to that specific title whatsoever, it's just a generic Mario background. A generic "Mario & Sonic (series)" tag could just suffice. Yet, it and many other mario outfits are tagged this specifically just so that certain designs can be consolidated in something that is easily searchable due to not having character tags themselves. The Mario Kart biker outfits used to suffer a similar fate: some of them are tagged with "Mario Kart Wii". The reasons why again seem obvious: to consolidate those images under one specific tag for easy searching. To me personally, this always felt inefficient and a odd quirk with all facets of Mario tagging: extremely difficult to find specific things are not being tagged or getting lost in the weeds of poor copyright tagging, while specific aspects of certain copyrights are getting drowned out due to the broadening copyright tagging to fit in certain outfits that have expanded beyond the scope of the copyright. Dealing with this issue entirely for the whole franchise would be arduous and clearly no one (myself included) seems to be willing to do it, but the slow process to at least alleviating the issues going forward in the future somewhat would be: more character tags and less copyright tagging (unless the image is referencing something specific to that game title that is clearly very unique to it), similar to how not every Rosalina image needs to get tagged "Super Mario Galaxy" (though that still happens regardless).

Therefore I'm on the side that most of the abundance of Mario costumes tags and the ever encroaching increase of them lately are necessary because for many they are difficult to search for otherwise, and the ones that are searchable bog down copyrights making them overly broad and weirdly non specific (A lot of the Mario Kart Wii tag doesn't really have that many Mario Kart Wii aspects in it outside of the biker outfits, many of those images are a bit broader). And with Mario image uploads in general seem to not be as geared towards copyright tagging compared to some other franchises here I think it would be better to further deemphasize the copyrights unless the image speaks to something very specific to that copyright (another example, post #8166960 doesn't need any of the Mario Golf copyright tags, but it only has them to consolidate this specific design together).

With all of that said, there are exceptions and compromises that can be made to still clean up some of the bloat, which this thread is trying to address. For example, with much consideration I think that the Mario Tennis Aces (male characters), Mario Golf: Super Rush and Mario Party 2 character tags can be nuked since as of right now they have still only appeared in one game. I think we can create a general rule that if a non-power up outfit only appears in one game we can probably make due with an added copyright tag instead of a character tag (an example, these outfits Peach & Daisy are wearing in asset #27794911 only appear in Mario & Sonic At The Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games, an image featuring them like post #8167466 it'd be better to just use that copyright instead of creating a new character tag until this outfit get's more broader appearances, which I frankly don't think will ever happen) and if the outfit reoccurs then we make a character tag (Or better yet consolidate it with another tag). And vice versa, if a design may only appear once or in a very specific context but does not have a corresponding copyright tag then it should absolutely get a character tag. For example I made Princess Peach (Kimono) (Kcmex2009), Princess Peach (Kimono) (Club Nintendo) and Princess Peach (Nightgown) for this specific purpose, these designs have no copyright to them and therefore were difficult to search for otherwise.

Another thing, regardless I do disagree with using Smash Bros naming conventions in general. I think the Danbooru community can come up with better, more useful qualifiers. I would generally avoid Smash Bros entirely, though I do understand why one would use it as an official source. In fact I think some of the current character tags can have much more uniformity in naming conventions in general. For example I don't think it's useful for tags like Striker Peach and Biker Peach to be tagged this way, while other tags are Princess Peach (*). But admittedly this is a minor point for now.

I do still think my general solution to the Golf/Tennis tagging is something that should be adopted (forum #340535). When it comes to the discussion of tag consolidation, it's not something that is alien, after all the Striker character tags are consolidations as each of the striker games have different designs. I can see sports shorts and sports dresses consolidated together (and you can have the wiki showcasing the differences), but I'm unsure about consolidating the retro designs with the modern ones.

So to end off this rambling, here are my proposed "guidelines" for Mario tagging:

  • All power-ups/transformations gain a character tag, regardless of copyright
  • If an outfit becomes recurring, it should gain a character tag instead and specific copyright tagging might not be necessary for every image it appears unless the image is specifically tying itself to that copyright (for example every generic biker image of the Princess's likely doesn't need a Mario kart Wii or Mario Kart 8 tag, just the Mario Kart series one should suffice)
  • If an outfit only appears in one game, it probably does not need a character tag currently if a specific copyright tag will suffice.
  • If an outfit is a playable character it should probably gain a character tag, even if it's in one game. This is why Mario Kart fill up the character tags even though some outfits there only appear in one game
  • If an outfit only appears in a hyper specific context but does not have a corresponding copyright, it should immediately gain a character tag since it's likely difficult to find otherwise
  • Stuff like the costumes in Super Mario Odyssey are likely going to have to be dealt with in a case by case manner on whether they should gain character tags or not

Updated by pc88

pc88 said:

My view: there is something that I noticed quickly about Mario tagging a long time ago from first engaging with this site: there is a general less proactive desire to copyright tag compared to some other franchises. Most uploaders consistently fail to properly copyright tag for various reasons and many images in general do not fit neatly in certain copyrights. This is likely due to a large portion of the mario series having recurring elements to the point where tying them down to just a single copyright is too restrictive since they appear in so many games. This has caused some (myself included) to over course correct: the constant bombardment of copyright tagging just so that certain aspects (like character designs) can be found easily and don't get lost in the ether, even if the copyright tag may not neatly fit or is superfluous (because many of these outfits appear in multiple games).

This is very much a legitimate criticism of the current approach in regards to tagging, at least regarding Mario. Especially since, given the sheer abundance of costumes and games over the years, a reoccurring outfit can easily slip through the cracks, and may not be easily searchable without a chartag. It's part of what drove me to create BUR #43714, just as an easy example, when I realized just how hard it could be to get Wario's default biker outfit in WarioWare. And that's just going through a wario warioware search. Who knows how many got lost in the Mario (series) tag I don't know about?

And what do you do to solve such an issue? Well, you create a chartag so you can find it much more easily. Which ends up leading into the current debate at hand in regards to these tags, as whatever happens here will end up defining the limits moving forward (something I think everyone is aware of here).

Therefore I'm on the side that most of the abundance of Mario costumes tags and the ever encroaching increase of them lately are necessary because for many they are difficult to search for otherwise, and the ones that are searchable bog down copyrights making them overly broad and weirdly non specific (A lot of the Mario Kart Wii tag doesn't really have that many Mario Kart Wii aspects in it outside of the biker outfits, many of those images are a bit broader). And with Mario image uploads in general seem to not be as geared towards copyright tagging compared to some other franchises here I think it would be better to further deemphasize the copyrights unless the image speaks to something very specific to that copyright (another example, post #8166960 doesn't need any of the Mario Golf copyright tags, but it only has them to consolidate this specific design together).

Finally! An actual argument! Thank you, I can actually understand and get behind this viewpoint, even if I don't entirely agree with it. But hey, that's why we're here: to figure this out. Because at the end of the day, the goal here is to determine which tags are actually necessary, as I really don't want to nuke an actually useful tag.

With all of that said, there are exceptions and compromises that can be made to still clean up some of the bloat, which this thread is trying to address. For example, with much consideration I think that the Mario Tennis Aces (male characters), Mario Golf: Super Rush and Mario Party 2 character tags can be nuked since as of right now they have still only appeared in one game. I think we can create a general rule that if a non-power up outfit only appears in one game we can probably make due with an added copyright tag instead of a character tag (an example, these outfits Peach & Daisy are wearing in asset #27794911 only appear in Mario & Sonic At The Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games, an image featuring them like post #8167466 it'd be better to just use that copyright instead of creating a new character tag until this outfit get's more broader appearances, which I frankly don't think will ever happen) and if the outfit reoccurs then we make a character tag (Or better yet consolidate it with another tag). And vice versa, if a design may only appear once or in a very specific context but does not have a corresponding copyright tag then it should absolutely get a character tag. For example I made Princess Peach (Kimono) (Kcmex2009), Princess Peach (Kimono) (Club Nintendo) and Princess Peach (Nightgown) for this specific purpose, these designs have no copyright to them and therefore were difficult to search for otherwise.

This pretty much defines the stance that I feel like I am of the opinion of. Your Nightgown tag, for example, while small, is very hard to find with tags alone, not at all helped by the fact it has no real copytag to replace it with. You can only find Peach in that official alternate costume through that chartag. The Super Rush costumes on the other hand can all easily be searched for through "Character + Game", with absolutely zero loss were they to disappear. Which tells me they are pad tags that we really don't need unless the costumes were to spread beyond that game (which is unlikely right now i think).

I do still think my general solution to the Golf/Tennis tagging is something that should be adopted (forum #340535). When it comes to the discussion of tag consolidation, it's not something that is alien, after all the Striker character tags are consolidations as each of the striker games have different designs. I can see sports shorts and sports dresses consolidated together (and you can have the wiki showcasing the differences), but I'm unsure about consolidating the retro designs with the modern ones.

The more we talk about those costumes, the more I end up convincing myself there is merit in having these tags at least. As for the retro designs, I'm someone actually in favor of having a tag for Peach and Daisy's retro dresses, so I'm not opposed to keeping classic separated from modern, as while I can't see the utility in splitting a tag based on if a character is wearing a dress or a shirt or shorts, I can get behind having tags for the retro designs that'd be really hard to search for otherwise.

Though admittedly, having retro Mario designs tags at least for Peach and Daisy would require it's own lengthy separate discussion, no doubt, something keeping the classic sports' designs separate from modern would undeniably set a precedent for, and something we'd need to consider, but I'm not opposed to it myself.

So to end off this rambling, here are my proposed "guidelines" for Mario tagging:

  • All power-ups/transformations gain a character tag, regardless of copyright
  • If an outfit becomes recurring, it should gain a character tag instead and specific copyright tagging might not be necessary for every image it appears unless the image is specifically tying itself to that copyright (for example every generic biker image of the Princess's likely doesn't need a Mario kart Wii or Mario Kart 8 tag, just the Mario Kart series one should suffice)
  • If an outfit only appears in one game, it probably does not need a character tag currently if a specific copyright tag will suffice.
  • If an outfit is a playable character it should probably gain a character tag, even if it's in one game. This is why Mario Kart fill up the character tags even though some outfits there only appear in one game
  • If an outfit only appears in a hyper specific context but does not have a corresponding copyright, it should immediately gain a character tag since it's likely difficult to find otherwise
  • Stuff like the costumes in Super Mario Odyssey are likely going to have to be dealt with in a case by case manner on whether they should gain character tags or not

I think this is a generally solid approach to the tags. While I'm sure there will be some case-by-case basises and all that, having a good rough guideline will help us determine which do and do not need tags. Obviously, we need to all agree on a baseline, but I can get behind this personally.

As it stands right now, I think what I'm going to do right now is create a nuke BUR removing the Peach and Daisy tags. These feel very contentious to have nuked right now, and considering the discussion around merging them, it'd probably be better to have a version without them so that we can continue to discuss what to do and how to deal with them (especially since, if they were to be merged, I see a geniune utility to an overarching sports tag for those two at least, like in cases where you can't determine the copyright as you noted). I'm gonna go ahead and include the Mario Party 2 costume tags while I'm at it in this second nuke BUR, because there seems to be consensus we don't need them either.

(Also, while I did start a BUR for merging them, I'm not sure if I even want it to go through right now given the current discussion or if I did it in a way you'd find acceptable. Don't hesitate to make your own BUR if not so we can vote on those too.)

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