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Qualifier standardization: *_(the_legend_of_zelda) -> *_(zelda)

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AngryZapdos

C-light said:

BUR #18192 has been rejected.

category goron -> character
category zora -> character

Found these during the debate. surprised they're not characters yet.

These are tags for species; making them character tags would be like making elf a character tag. Also, next time make a seperate thread for tangential BURs.

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AngryZapdos

C-light said:

Tags for species can be labelled as characters if the species is specific to a series. Like goomba, mareep or deku_scrub.

I don't know anything about Deku Scrubs, but Goombas and Pokémon are not character tags just because they're specific to a series; if they were, then ork_(warhammer) would be a character tag. With a few exceptions (Detective Pikachu and Goombella, for example), Goombas and Pokémon are both not human and not unique. They are by their very nature nameless and plentiful, existing as a generic enemy design and, in the case of Pokémon, a blank slate for the player to paint their own individuality onto. You have to give them their names, and even then they still look like every other Pokémon of the same species. Compare this to the Zelda races, and you'll find none of the above is true. All of them are seen as human-like, and at least for as long as I've been playing Zelda, have had individual names, appearances and personalities.

In general, whether a species tag should be a character tag depends mostly on the uniqueness within said species. If it is normal for members of a species to be actual characters rather than "just another x", then the species is merely an attribute of said actual characters. Meanwhile, if (for the most part) there is nothing to any individual members of the species beyond their identical appearances then they are all essentially the same "character", which for our purposes is the species.

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Damian0358

C-light said:

Tags for species can be labelled as characters if the species is specific to a series.

That's not the reasoning why species tags are sometimes rendered as character tags, concentrating on humanoid non-enemy/general species (so, Deku Scrub over Goomba/Mareep). The main reason why it happens is because they exist in place of proper character tags, because said tags don't exist.

Looking at Zapdos' example of Warhammer, you have Orks, but you also have T'au. For the former, you generally don't get individualized art, they're rendered generic, effectively. Combine that with a lesser presence online, and the fact that they have a gentag makes sense. For the latter, you have a lot more individualized 'waifu'/OC art, and they have a larger presence online in part because of the waifuing. But you can't give each T'au OC its own chartag because most times they aren't given a name and are just supposed to be general T'au, so the species tag gets turned into a chartag.

To quote from a past discussion (forum #186303):

If we need a rule, I'd say that if it's an animal species with a consistent unique appearance, like a Pokemon, or an RPG monster, or a mascot creature, then it gets a chartag. If it's a humanoid race, then it gets more difficult. Draph is a gentag because there are a lot of named Draphs, and it would be weird to give them two chartags. On the other hand, Miqo'te is a chartag because most Miqo'te posts are unnamed OCs, and it feels a little weird to have posts with an identifiable character but no chartag. I don't know if there's a good answer here. It might be easiest just to say that all humanoid races are gentags.

It's this same principle that led many MMO race/species tags to be chartags, like the aforementioned Miqo'te, because clearly the OC needs to be tagged with something. The only thing that can be done to make them gentags is to provide an alternative - in the MMO race/species tags' case, that required the creation of a new tag (topic #19866). With both past discussions and what Zapdos said in mind, because many Zelda races have named (and thus taggable) individuals in them, the prospect of making their species tags chartags is needless. To quote the same discussion too:

For me it comes down to what makes the tag list easiest to read.

Do you suddenly want every named Zora character to add an extra tag to the chartag section of a post? And you can't add a clause saying named characters don't count to species tags - we've tried that with youkai tags and Touhou before, it does not fucking work.

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Hillside Moose

I don't mind standardizing the qualifier to _(zelda), with the argument in forum #247071 making the most sense to me.

Even with the vastly different incarnations of Rauru within TOTK and OOT, it would still be the same as finding the different versions of Zelda or Link by using the copy tags.

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