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Asking re:deletion of post #6295864
Last time I was lectured about image line quality being too shaky and undefined and subjectivity, so I spent literally months working on this piece. I would like to know what the issue is now.
Before anyone says “YoU UpScAlEd”, I am the original artist uploading the original canvas resolution (yes sometimes I do work at 8k and this piece was 15gb on disk), hence why I tagged self-upload even if the rules say “self upload means your post probably won’t get approved wwwwww”
the pixiv source is smaller because the pixiv is a downscale.

QQWWU said:

post #5855566(please request approval, the first post of this artist is uploaded by me)
post #5796693 post #6301806 post #5884663 post #5934404 post #5809008

They're bondage related, but I think everyone enjoys watching

post #5787225
post #5766704
post #5691705

I think they are beautiful, it would be puzzling not to pass

I really have trouble imagining what you would'nt post if you need someone to tell you why post #5934404 wasn't approved, even in the hypothesis it got active, it would've been flagged 100%, the stuff that looks like a stereotypical product of pre-AI deviantart isn't getting approved anytime soon.

post #5766704 looks overall fine but why don't you put more effort in handling your uploads? i can see from the source you could've easily made an artist entry for this post and tagged it, why didn't you?

For the rest, it's all just not exactly terrible but still not surprising at all it didn't get approved, some are just straight poorly drawn/colored, and some others are just drawn slightly better but are still niche fetish stuff with questionable art fundamentals, if you ask why all those weren't approved you might as well post any drawn image that you ever stumble upon and that's not against danbooru rules and then ask why it gets deleted even when it's obvious it would never make it through modqueue. (though we're not really that far off)
Maybe first, try to narrow down the amount of stuff you try to upload here, try to observe what gets approved (not the stuff that just skips modqueue), and start putting some effort in your uploads and how you tag them

linil said:

Asking re:deletion of post #6295864
Last time I was lectured about image line quality being too shaky and undefined and subjectivity, so I spent literally months working on this piece. I would like to know what the issue is now.

The issue is that it's gonna be discouraging for your art journey if you try to self-upload on danbooru as a beginner artist with still lots of art skills to tackle, the line quality may have been the main issue for your uncolored/greyscale works, but here the coloring is muddy (i understand it feels "natural" to just go for "blacker" and "whiter" colors to try to shade, and color theory is rarely intuitive, but it doesn't look good) the edges of the paint (how sharp or progressive transitions between colors are) are just wonky and inconsistent, hurting the overall look of the drawing a whole lot, which is the 2nd major issue; lopunny's fur is "too" rendered, seems like you spent a lot of time zoomed in, adding in those tiny individual brush strokes, and that's really a shame because that's a lot of time spent doing something that worsened how she looks, and then all the stuff around the image focus also has the issues of muddy shading and bad edges, but worsened by the overuse of the airbrush and how many different airbrush spots you tried to cram in, i get you tried to make the image look festive but it's a hard thing to manage without making it a noisy mess that hurts the composition.

You also said you spent months on this single artwork, but if you want to learn and draw good looking art faster, tackling lots of smaller less ambitious drawings is better both for your motivation and your learning process, it lets you break down areas you need to improve in "manageable chunks" and it should also make art more fun. Hope this helps

Also, unrelated but you really don't need to export your works as huge 90Mb png's at just 8500² of resolution, that's an absurd filesize for an image, just like the downscale you did on the pixiv source, it's fine to also compress a little of the image quality when you export, drawing programs are good at doing that very efficiently in a way that makes no noticeable change in how it looks to the human eye. (and unpopular opinion but unless your work contains transparent pixels, choosing .jpg instead is completely fine)

Mayhem-Chan said:

I really have trouble imagining what you would'nt post if you need someone to tell you why post #5934404 wasn't approved, even in the hypothesis it got active, it would've been flagged 100%, the stuff that looks like a stereotypical product of pre-AI deviantart isn't getting approved anytime soon.

post #5766704 looks overall fine but why don't you put more effort in handling your uploads? i can see from the source you could've easily made an artist entry for this post and tagged it, why didn't you?

For the rest, it's all just not exactly terrible but still not surprising at all it didn't get approved, some are just straight poorly drawn/colored, and some others are just drawn slightly better but are still niche fetish stuff with questionable art fundamentals, if you ask why all those weren't approved you might as well post any drawn image that you ever stumble upon and that's not against danbooru rules and then ask why it gets deleted even when it's obvious it would never make it through modqueue. (though we're not really that far off)
Maybe first, try to narrow down the amount of stuff you try to upload here, try to observe what gets approved (not the stuff that just skips modqueue), and start putting some effort in your uploads and how you tag them

The issue is that it's gonna be discouraging for your art journey if you try to self-upload on danbooru as a beginner artist with still lots of art skills to tackle, the line quality may have been the main issue for your uncolored/greyscale works, but here the coloring is muddy (i understand it feels "natural" to just go for "blacker" and "whiter" colors to try to shade, and color theory is rarely intuitive, but it doesn't look good) the edges of the paint (how sharp or progressive transitions between colors are) are just wonky and inconsistent, hurting the overall look of the drawing a whole lot, which is the 2nd major issue; lopunny's fur is "too" rendered, seems like you spent a lot of time zoomed in, adding in those tiny individual brush strokes, and that's really a shame because that's a lot of time spent doing something that worsened how she looks, and then all the stuff around the image focus also has the issues of muddy shading and bad edges, but worsened by the overuse of the airbrush and how many different airbrush spots you tried to cram in, i get you tried to make the image look festive but it's a hard thing to manage without making it a noisy mess that hurts the composition.

You also said you spent months on this single artwork, but if you want to learn and draw good looking art faster, tackling lots of smaller less ambitious drawings is better both for your motivation and your learning process, it lets you break down areas you need to improve in "manageable chunks" and it should also make art more fun. Hope this helps

Also, unrelated but you really don't need to export your works as huge 90Mb png's at just 8500² of resolution, that's an absurd filesize for an image, just like the downscale you did on the pixiv source, it's fine to also compress a little of the image quality when you export, drawing programs are good at doing that very efficiently in a way that makes no noticeable change in how it looks to the human eye. (and unpopular opinion but unless your work contains transparent pixels, choosing .jpg instead is completely fine)

post #5766704 it removed because the author was not tagged?

And you asked me to observe what is an approved post, and I can answer you: Even if those posts are of normal subjects, many people may reject them, just because the group of powerful people subjectively don’t like them, nothing more

QQWWU said:

Even if those posts are of normal subjects, many people may reject them, just because the group of powerful people subjectively don’t like them, nothing more

Yes, that's how the site works.

QQWWU said:

post #5766704 it removed because the author was not tagged?

no, i was pointing it out because tagging the artist is part of the bare minimum when you upload something, unless it's literally not possible to find who the artist is, for example in official art posted by a second party, you should either make the effort or just not upload the image

And you asked me to observe what is an approved post, and I can answer you: Even if those posts are of normal subjects, many people may reject them, just because the group of powerful people subjectively don’t like them, nothing more

Your "answer" is completely missing the point though. And good luck figuring out an "objective" system that works to filter art here. Just know that if you post stuff without thinking of how likely it is to get approved, there's no point asking why it gets deleted when it does

Mayhem-Chan said:

no, i was pointing it out because tagging the artist is part of the bare minimum when you upload something, unless it's literally not possible to find who the artist is, for example in official art posted by a second party, you should either make the effort or just not upload the image

Your "answer" is completely missing the point though. And good luck figuring out an "objective" system that works to filter art here. Just know that if you post stuff without thinking of how likely it is to get approved, there's no point asking why it gets deleted when it does

That's just one-sided talk. If you can't point out the reason why it can't pass, then there is no need to talk about it.
Problems are always going to be blamed on one side, I think they always are

QQWWU said:

Problems are always going to be blamed on one side, I think they always are

I mean, aren't you the one pointing fingers right now? approvers rarely even come here anymore because they know this thread is filled with people like you who just don't get it, or obviously do get it and still complain, and when they try to explain the modqueue for the umpteenth time (I'm sure "the modqueue is interest-based" is a horse that's been kicked in 999 different ways by now) tempers still flare and hot air is pushed around. please respect your time more and quit this nonsense.

BobTheBuilder_v1 said:

I mean, aren't you the one pointing fingers right now? approvers rarely even come here anymore because they know this thread is filled with people like you who just don't get it, or obviously do get it and still complain, and when they try to explain the modqueue for the umpteenth time (I'm sure "the modqueue is interest-based" is a horse that's been kicked in 999 different ways by now) tempers still flare and hot air is pushed around. please respect your time more and quit this nonsense.

well good luck

QQWWU said:

That's just one-sided talk. If you can't point out the reason why it can't pass, then there is no need to talk about it.
Problems are always going to be blamed on one side, I think they always are

QQWWU said:

post #5766704 it removed because the author was not tagged?

And you asked me to observe what is an approved post, and I can answer you: Even if those posts are of normal subjects, many people may reject them, just because the group of powerful people subjectively don’t like them, nothing more

it's not about power and one sidedness, it's just there's only so many people who are willing to volunteer time, and thus so many accommodating tastes.
as an example i notice a lot of your deleted posts are bdsm, which only only 31% of are actually approved by anyone, 11% are deleted for some reason or another, leaving the other almost 60% to be directly uploaded and active by contributors. I'm pointing this out that perhaps either look to see who is approving BDSM, and uploading what both you and they seem to like

Pokeball99 said:

it's not about power and one sidedness, it's just there's only so many people who are willing to volunteer time, and thus so many accommodating tastes.
as an example i notice a lot of your deleted posts are bdsm, which only only 31% of are actually approved by anyone, 11% are deleted for some reason or another, leaving the other almost 60% to be directly uploaded and active by contributors. I'm pointing this out that perhaps either look to see who is approving BDSM, and uploading what both you and they seem to like

thank you bro
I think someday I might take the time to focus on appealing the failed posts(When I don't have too many posts to upload), although the card slot is not very convenient

The issue is that it's gonna be discouraging for your art journey if you try to self-upload on danbooru as a beginner artist with still lots of art skills to tackle,

Discouragement is subjective, I obviously came back for more punishment

the line quality may have been the main issue for your uncolored/greyscale works, but here the coloring is muddy (i understand it feels "natural" to just go for "blacker" and "whiter" colors to try to shade, and color theory is rarely intuitive, but it doesn't look good)

No color burn or color dodge tools were used, so I'm not quite sure what is being referred to here about "don't just scale your brightness up and down". I learned from pixiv artists to use blue or purple tones in some cases instead of black for shading, but it depends on the scenario. The balloons have a natural warm yellow white lighting source, and they reflect off of each other as lighting sources. green on a red balloon is not white light. on lopunny's ears there is even a soft red tint around the edges to add color variance, like watercolor artists do for greenery. examining lopunny's thighs, the soft lighting around the paprasol's glowing star is yellow not white. but sure, the balloons have a very vivid hue overall if that is what you mean?

the edges of the paint (how sharp or progressive transitions between colors are) are just wonky and inconsistent,

I'm going to need specifics on which edges, do you mean the area between the ears and parasol, or what? i need more info

hurting the overall look of the drawing a whole lot, which is the 2nd major issue; lopunny's fur is "too" rendered, seems like you spent a lot of time zoomed in, adding in those tiny individual brush strokes, and that's really a shame because that's a lot of time spent doing something that worsened how she looks,

I suspect part of the issue you perceive is only because fur reflects light differently than anime skin, however, lopunny isn't made of skin, she has fur
skin post #6142762 post #2560854
versus
fur post #146998 post #561133 post #1577375

and then all the stuff around the image focus also has the issues of muddy shading and bad edges,

I believe this term is called style of brushstrokes, and last time I checked not every object IRL or even in manga or anime has an outline or a hard edge, edges can be soft or hard. there is a whole style of painting by doris leeper called "hard edge painting", which you would probably love if you like your edges flat and hard

but worsened by the overuse of the airbrush and how many different airbrush spots you tried to cram in, i get you tried to make the image look festive but it's a hard thing to manage without making it a noisy mess that hurts the composition.

ok, I'm going to wager multiple things are being referred to here, both the focus blur in behind and front. and when you say it hurts the composition, I'm going to assume you mean the "flow" or how your eye is drawn across the image which is a part of gestalt. to begin with, the visual flow in this image isn't strong because lopunny is center focus and the balloons are circular, not necessarily pointing the eye towards any given direction. lopunny herself in a way acts as a giant arrow, that might draw your eye up or down, but not across the entire image. it could be considered that this lack of gestalt flow in itself is a feature of the art composition. every art composition doesn't have to or need to be dynamic.

personally I did not want as much confetti focus blur for festivity, but I had a group critique, and most people in the group preferred the image that had more color versus the one with less background color.

You also said you spent months on this single artwork, but if you want to learn and draw good looking art faster, tackling lots of smaller less ambitious drawings is better both for your motivation and your learning process, it lets you break down areas you need to improve in "manageable chunks" and it should also make art more fun.

Art is fun to me because I draw what I love, not because I draw what other people like, which is why I "over-rendered" lopunny's fur to begin with. she didn't look fluffy enough, or huggable enough like a stuffed animal. but I believe she looks fluffy and cute. although my images don't have a lot of visibility to begin with, I had over 50 people on pixiv like my deleted gardevoir image, so maybe some people do think my art looks good and that in a way makes me happy in return

Hope this helps
Also, unrelated but you really don't need to export your works as huge 90Mb png's at just 8500² of resolution, that's an absurd filesize for an image, just like the downscale you did on the pixiv source, it's fine to also compress a little of the image quality when you export, drawing programs are good at doing that very efficiently in a way that makes no noticeable change in how it looks to the human eye. (and unpopular opinion but unless your work contains transparent pixels, choosing .jpg instead is completely fine)

Downscaling would just reinforce the muddy argument for image disapproval.
while i do agree 90mb is large, image filesize is in no way relevant to the perceived contents of the image, which is what approval should be based on in addition to a variety of other factors (properly tagged, not illegal, etc.)

JPG noticeably alters the colorspace of an image unlike PNG.

In addition, the high resolution is not only for archival but it allows affordances to the viewer. some viewers do like to zoom in and crop images as phone wallpapers for example, and this image of course would be great for that because of it is large enough to afford this. uploading my original canvas size allows viewers to make that decision for themselves and not be stuck with a big case of the pixel "jaggies". I'm sure I'm not the only one who hates seeing pixels in wallpapers.

Your "answer" is completely missing the point though. And good luck figuring out an "objective" system that works to filter art here. Just know that if you post stuff without thinking of how likely it is to get approved, there's no point asking why it gets deleted when it does

The "objective" system would to have a threshold for how much score the image gets while the image is sitting in the modqueue, because I've had several images get score only to be downvoted again by mods behind a mask as if my images are flicking them the bird. if they don't like it they don't have to push the anti-score button they can just ignore it like everyone else (obviously they ignore it enough to click disinterested), and if the image has a positive score higher than 3 or 5 or something then it gets approved as long as the mods click the "this is not illegal" and "this is tagged properly" checkboxes.

in a way it baffles me how I can spend a good half hour tagging my image, only for my tagging work to be completely discarded. i think i speak on behalf of everyone here when I say the mods obviously have no regard for anyone's time but their own. frankly its disrespectful and insulting not only to me but also fellow uploaders who are trying their best to curate a wonderful image board here. I have been lurking danbooru and similar boards for over six years, and if I had known this was how people got treated on a daily basis (this thread in itself probably should have been a flag at 250+ pages,) I would have never tried to upload here to begin with. but in a way, now it has become a challenge to me, a soul in a pit of torment

linil said:

I'm going to need specifics on which edges, do you mean the area between the ears and parasol, or what? i need more info

It's not our job to be your art tutor. Danbooru is a curated gallery and none of the curators liked your posts enough to approve them; that's the end of it. We don't claim to be objective and don't owe you an explanation for our decisions. This thread is here to point out obvious problems that may have been missed by the uploader, not to start a debate.

linil said:
Art is fun to me because I draw what I love, not because I draw what other people like.

Great, then keep posting on sites that are designed for artists like Pixiv or Deviantart. Danbooru is not designed for artists, it's designed for users. We used to have a rule against self-uploads precisely for this reason.

linil said:
The "objective" system would to have a threshold for how much score the image gets while the image is sitting in the modqueue

The only thing score typically measures is how much attention it gets from coomers. Draw huge tits and ass and you're guaranteed a certain amount of score regardless of the piece's anatomy. Take a look at a status:deleted score:>60 search and you'll see what I mean. Here are some examples of excellently drawn art that got a score of 0 (as of writing) because they're not sexualised: post #6280087, post #6275843, post #6255701, post #6183596.

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Obst said:

It's not our job to be your art tutor. Danbooru is a curated gallery and none of the curators liked your posts enough to approve them; that's the end of it. We don't claim to be objective and don't owe you an explanation for our decisions. This thread is here to point out obvious problems that may have been missed by the uploader, not to start a debate.

I have had several years of college level art classes, I’m not expecting you or anyone else to be any sort of art tutor. But it’s obvious that this system isn’t intuitive to uploaders, and this forum thread is just a band-aid for a system that lacks a sophisticated way to clearly tell uploaders why their post gets deleted. This isn’t 1987, people don’t RTFM anymore, heck, things hardly even come with manuals now, so you’re dealing with a whole new generation of people who have no idea how things work in general. The system should be working for and with them not against them.

Great, then keep posting on sites that are designed for artists like Pixiv or Deviantart. Danbooru is not designed for artists, it's designed for users. We used to have a rule against self-uploads precisely for this reason.

So you’re the kind of person who thinks after you build a PC, some stranger can come along, take a picture of your PC build and upload it for Internet karma points while your post gets deleted for being a duplicate. This site is NOT made for users, it’s made for artists and the people who appreciate art, and when an artist isn’t available to upload their own work a person who appreciates that artists’ art acts in their stead. This self-upload rule perverses the whole system to praise the messenger over the artist. Do you really want to treat the people who make art like trash?

The only thing score typically measures is how much attention it gets from coomers. Draw huge tits and ass and you're guaranteed a certain amount of score regardless of the piece's anatomy. Take a look at a status:deleted score:>60 search and you'll see what I mean. Here are some examples of excellently drawn art that got a score of 0 (as of writing) because they're not sexualised: post #6280087, post #6275843, post #6255701, post #6183596.

The fact of the matter is these posts just never got their chance to shine because they never got approved just like the rest of the art people have been trying to upload. And you really don’t know what goes on in someone else’s mind no matter how much you think you do. I thought I knew someone for seven years but it turns out I didn’t. That’s just how life works. And actually calling every user who likes art with endowed individuals a coomer is extremely degrading. Are people who like Dolly Parton coomers too, then? Regardless of whether they like her music? Get real. People like art for a variety of reasons and that should be celebrated.