I think post post #7444320 should be tagged shota size differences.
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I think post post #7444320 should be tagged shota size differences.
Her posture kinda loli-like, but I'm not sure. I tag it as loli first
teitoku_zeon said:
Her posture kinda loli-like, but I'm not sure. I tag it as loli first
Not loli, the body proportions are wrong for that.
santander said:
I added the tag on this one because the body fits and its tagged shota by the artist on pixiv
@santander please don't re-add these tags to posts after other users have removed them.
Your judgement when using these tags is highly flawed
Adding the child on child tag to something you have been repeatedly told is not loli/shota is also not appropriate.
I already messaged you about this before and you're still doing it, I think you should just stop adding these tags altogether.
gfz said:
@santander please don't re-add these tags to posts after other users have removed them.
Your judgement when using these tags is highly flawed
Adding the child on child tag to something you have been repeatedly told is not loli/shota is also not appropriate.
I already messaged you about this before and you're still doing it, I think you should just stop adding these tags altogether.
They're tagged with shota and child on child in the original pixiv posts, which is why I added them. How do they not fit the tags, visually?
santander said:
They're tagged with shota and child on child in the original pixiv posts, which is why I added them. How do they not fit the tags, visually?
We don't care what the artist tagged them, pixiv doesn't have the same strict tag culture that danbooru does, and they don't always use tags the way we do.
blindVigil said:
We don't care what the artist tagged them, pixiv doesn't have the same strict tag culture that danbooru does, and they don't always use tags the way we do.
I know, but the fact they were tagged with that by the original artist still adds weight to it. How do those posts not fit the tags, visuslly?
santander said:
I know, but the fact they were tagged with that by the original artist still adds weight to it. How do those posts not fit the tags, visuslly?
For post #6248543, even if Sasuke could be tagged shota, the child on child tag still wouldn't apply unless Sakura could also be tagged as loli.
post #6416952
Does this deserve the loli tag?
岩戸鈴芽 said:
It does not add weight, not even a little, we only use our standards which are described in the wikis.
But the Pixiv posts clearly align mostly by the same definition, looking at the artworks that are tagged with that term on both sites.
And danbooru itself seems to have a looser definition of "loli/shota" then you claim. There are posts that are tagged with it that show breasts and other post pubescent features that dont align with the wikis definition, but other posts that fit have the tag removed
Blank user said:
For post #6248543, even if Sasuke could be tagged shota, the child on child tag still wouldn't apply unless Sakura could also be tagged as loli.
Looking at the definition it says sexual or romantic attraction between prepubescent children. Due to their appearances it would fit under both definitions, no? And with loli/shota being a requirement too then it looks like another tag that doesn't quite match its wiki definition.
post #7332271
I added the tag and it got removed.
albel727 said:
post #6416952
Does this deserve the loli tag?
Nope. Not loli.
Nonesovile said:
post #7332271
I added the tag and it got removed.
added it back, I fail to see how it isn't loli
santander said:
But the Pixiv posts clearly align mostly by the same definition, looking at the artworks that are tagged with that term on both sites.
Their point was that we shouldn't use other site's tag practices as justification. If the definitions align so closely anyway, why would we even need to refer to theirs?
santander said:
And danbooru itself seems to have a looser definition of "loli/shota" then you claim. There are posts that are tagged with it that show breasts and other post pubescent features that dont align with the wikis definition, but other posts that fit have the tag removed
Loli/shota is based on an overall impression. If the character has large breasts or pubic hair but still has childlike proportions overall, they can still qualify. It's impossible to give a comprehensive guide of how to judge these kinds of posts. You'll find that a lot of debate over whether a post should be tagged loli/shota is based on the proportions rather than breasts and pubic hair. While those factors should still be considered, they are not the be-all and end-all.
Also, I don't really agree post #7465932 should be tagged loli or shota, but I will concede that if you disregard the breasts, Nagatoro looks a bit younger overall compared to her canon appearance. As for post #7262958, I gave my arguments against loli for that one upthread.
santander said:
Looking at the definition it says sexual or romantic attraction between prepubescent children. Due to their appearances it would fit under both definitions, no? And with loli/shota being a requirement too then it looks like another tag that doesn't quite match its wiki definition.
I don't think Sakura is loli in that post. She looks more like a young teen to me. I am slightly less sure about Sasuke despite them appearing to be the same age, but only because it's harder for me to judge where the border lies for shota posts.
Loli/shota is not a requirement for child on child if it's SFW. The reason it would be required for post #6248543 is because both characters are engaged in a sexual act. If they are not young-looking enough for loli/shota, then they are not young-looking enough for child on child.
Both of the child on child examples you gave were mistagged, especially post #7299954. They should not be used as evidence that the wiki is inconsistent with how the tag is used.
c_spl said:
added it back, I fail to see how it isn't loli
She has breasts, but it still looks borderline to me so I have no strong objections. I'd summon the uploader to this thread to get their side of things if they keep removing it.
Blank_User said:
I'd summon the uploader to this thread to get their side of things if they keep removing it.
The uploader in question has a history of not tagging loli on their own uploads and when someone does tag it they almost always remove it. Even images like post #3563608 and post #4880192 were not tagged on upload and he'll remove it from images like post #5840977.
Better to just re-tag and check his uploads.
Blank_User said:
Their point was that we shouldn't use other site's tag practices as justification. If the definitions align so closely anyway, why would we even need to refer to theirs?
Im not sure what you mean by this. I dont think you do need to refer to them, but im most cases there is overlap because the definitions are similar.
Loli/shota is based on an overall impression. If the character has large breasts or pubic hair but still has childlike proportions overall, they can still qualify. It's impossible to give a comprehensive guide of how to judge these kinds of posts. You'll find that a lot of debate over whether a post should be tagged loli/shota is based on the proportions rather than breasts and pubic hair. While those factors should still be considered, they are not the be-all and end-all.
Ive noticed that. And that was my point really, the tagging doesent follow the wiki definition strictly and some things that dont really fit are tagged anyway because they're borderline.
I am slightly less sure about Sasuke despite them appearing to be the same age, but only because it's harder for me to judge where the border lies for shota posts.
Does anyone here have opinions then? Because the Venti post clearly fits imo because of his body structure and genitalia, but no one has said why they dont think he fits visually, or is even not borderline.
santander said:
Im not sure what you mean by this. I dont think you do need to refer to them, but im most cases there is overlap because the definitions are similar.
Ive noticed that. And that was my point really, the tagging doesent follow the wiki definition strictly and some things that dont really fit are tagged anyway because they're borderline.
Does anyone here have opinions then? Because the Venti post clearly fits imo because of his body structure and genitalia, but no one has said why they dont think he fits visually, or is even not borderline.
What? Why was my post ignored. I said Venti looks too tall to be a shota in that post.
Yes, most consider Venti to be a shota and yes, I do also consider Sasuke to be a shota in that post because he looks about the same age as Sakura in that post. And there ages are 11 to 13 when the show begins.
The issue is ... if on danbooru if they look like young teenagers or older Danbooru considers them NOT to be shotas or lolis.
And that's the issue you're running into here. They are youngish teens? Yet... the artist intent was to make shotas.
jay19 said:
Venti is too tall to be a shota.
@santander I told you visually right here???
Everyone is fully clothed. The old man might be acting romantically toward the girl (just enough to justify the S rating), but it's hard to tell for sure. Does this still count?
santander said:
Im not sure what you mean by this. I dont think you do need to refer to them, but im most cases there is overlap because the definitions are similar.
Because you said the shota tag being added on the Pixiv post gives it weight earlier. However, this does not consider how strictly tagging practices are followed there. I don't think Pixiv has an entire thread dedicated to determining what is loli and shota, for example.
Ive noticed that. And that was my point really, the tagging doesent follow the wiki definition strictly and some things that dont really fit are tagged anyway because they're borderline.
A 12-year-old with teenage proportions is different from, say, a 5-year-old with abnormally large breasts. Tagging oppai loli characters with loli does not contradict the wiki description when they still look like young children overall. The farther away the proportions get from the borderline, the less things like breasts and penis size matter.
Also, as I said about child on child, mistags are possible. Not everyone who uses the tags follows the wiki guidelines. I frequently search for rating:g or child mistagged with loli/shota (and vice-versa) because some users will add the tag to young-looking characters regardless of whether they're presented sexually or not.