nonamethanks said:
In post #1786727 she doesn't even have a dick, why would we tag it 2boys?
Mate, you can see quite clearly that there's a line coming out from the groin facing downwards which extends well beyond where a vagina alone would.
https://i.imgur.com/29ge23x.png
So yes, there is a partly obscured dick in that image, behind the other fully visible dick. And that's putting aside the character's status being clearly established from the artist's other pictures and statements. But again, whether to tag a newhalf as a boy or a girl is its own debate. I just want to resolve this issue with newhalf being linked to futanari.
bipface said:
glad to see you've got thought-out opinions about how to decide the applicable tags for a given scenaio — how about we get that information into table form for easy reference
i mean, can you really expect anyone to follow you when it involves digesting one wall-of-text after another ?
To be honest, I don't even know how to interact with that Github page, even after logging in. And I also don't see filling out hundreds of rows as that table as all that useful when the tag descriptions provided were already fairly clear.
SSJG said:
Bob cuts and hime cuts are easily distinguishable at a glance, while futanari and newhalf are not.
You missed the point here. Yes, they are easily distinguishable. But people keep tagging them wrong anyway. You can't argue that the definition of futanari should be changed to accommodate people tagging things wrong if you aren't going to argue the same thing for himecut. Especially when people are tagging images where the perineum is clearly visible instead of the vagina as futanari, which is a situation where it is easily distinguishable at a glance. You argued that you didn't consider the distinction useful, and evidently the people who tag himecuts wrong don't consider the distinction useful either. I consider both tags to have useful distinctions, and Danbooru is full of tags that have very minor distinctions that people consider useful regardless. Take all the glasses tags regarding what type of rims they have, for example. Maybe you don't give a damn about what a pair of glasses looks like, but other people obviously do. That's why the distinctions are there.
They're identical most of the time because that's how artists approach it. For them, what we arbitrarily decided to call newhalf is simply a type of futanari, and the tag was changed to reflect that. I agree that ever using newhalf as a tag was the wrong idea from the beginning (i don't think I've ever seen it being used outside of boorus derivative of Danbooru).
It's not a type of futanari. I've been over this again and again how the definition of futanari is incredibly simple and clear and inherent in its very name. If you wanted to say "it's in the same vein as futanari", that would be a valid statement. But again, changing futanari into an umbrella term to cover things that are explicitly not futanari was an absurd idea that would have been better done through the dickgirl tag instead. And I think you're getting hung up on entirely the wrong thing with the newhalf tag's name being an issue. It doesn't matter if the tag itself is newhalf or shemale because it's defining the same thing. At the end of the day this entire problem was caused by people using tags wrong because they didn't simply read the wiki pages which explained how to use things, and then questionable situations as we've seen above where people are tagging things based on vague criteria of what they kind of look like instead of using information known about the character to tag them how they are instead. That problem would be no different regardless of what the newhalf tag's name was, and where the name does become a problem is in futanari where yet again I have to reiterate that the name has an inherent meaning that it's stupid to warp in such a way, especially when dickgirl was an obvious fill-in for that idea.
Also, in regards to there being a "meaningful difference" between futanari and newhalf, relevant content is something to be considered as well. It's fairly easy to simply demonstrate what I mean using some searches on Ex:
https://i.imgur.com/INfDUGX.png
As you can see, there is a rather significant difference in focus between futanari and shemale content on Ex in terms of focus, with shemale content being more than twice as likely to pair the character with a man. That difference in focus is something that lends itself to wanting to search for one and not the other. And the same thing is also visible on Danbooru, though slightly more vague since I counted by pages:
https://i.imgur.com/X71zdTU.png
While Ex also has their own problems with users mistagging things, I also included their own definitions for futanari and shemale, which also happens to include rules on how to tag in ambiguous situations, which are worth considering here too, albeit under the newhalf name.
