Girly Kei fashion implications

BUR #43855 is pending approval.

create implication jirai_kei -> girly_kei
create implication french_girly -> girly_kei
create implication himekaji -> girly_kei
create implication larme_kei -> girly_kei

All are substyles of girls kei https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Girly_Kei

Does it really make sense to use this grouping just because the "Aesthetics fandom" does?

Even looking at the tag currently, I don't see what it's trying to be except an extremely broad umbrella tag. Of these 4 styles, I've only really ever heard of jirai kei, and looking at the examples of the other ones, they seem pretty "light" so to say, while jirai kei tends towards the "darker" (not only literally) aesthetics. I don't think it makes sense to group these together.

IMO fashion is already a questionable tag, but that feels sufficient for posts like post #5669939 and post #8562306.

ANON_TOKYO said:

Does it really make sense to use this grouping just because the "Aesthetics fandom" does?

Maybe I worded the original post wrong. I wasn’t saying we should imply these just because of the aesthetics wiki, I was just using the aesthetics wiki as an additional source to support what I was suggesting.

Even looking at the tag currently, I don't see what it's trying to be except an extremely broad umbrella tag.

Girly kei is a specific fashion style that features some similar aesthetics to lolita, but much more casual in comparison. It usually consists of high waisted skirts or dresses paired with a blouse, tights, heels, and cutesy feminine accessories like ribbons, bows, lace, and frills, though there are substyles (like jirai kei) that change/add some things.

Of these 4 styles, I've only really ever heard of jirai kei, and looking at the examples of the other ones, they seem pretty "light" so to say, while jirai kei tends towards the "darker" (not only literally) aesthetics. I don't think it makes sense to group these together.

Kinda funny you described it like that because another name for jirei kei is actually "dark girly" lol. Even though jirai is technically a substyle of girly kei, I guess I could live without it being implied since over time the definition of jirai has gotten so broad that a lot of what isn’t what I’d consider jirai is still being tagged as jirai_kei.

Yeah, I just feel like girly is just too broad of a style and also too similar to what is generally considered mainstream fashion in japan instead of anything really alternative. As Anon Tokyo said we usually would just use the fashion tag which encompasses anything "fashionable" that's not alt-fashion for posts like post #3026448
Also isn't larme-kei not a style? From what I understand it's not really considered something that actually exists because larme is just a mainstream fashion magazine and not one that's focused on a single style like GLB.
Quick edit: I do think the himekaji tag can and should stay and maybe even alias the hime gyaru tag to it because that's just himekaji gyaru. French girly is probably also keepable, post #9239436 and post #9096681 are basically the same outfit so it makes sense to have a tag that ties them together. I just don't think an umbrella tag for all of these is useful enough.

wispydreamer said:

Yeah, I just feel like girly is just too broad of a style and also too similar to what is generally considered mainstream fashion in japan instead of anything really alternative.

Yeah this is my concern, there isn't anything special here, it's just what people wear if they want to wear something that's even vaguely interesting.

I do think there's room for some more fashion style tags, but the proposed umbrella seems to encompass just about everything, it doesn't raelly make sense as a tag.

I also disagree with this tag. "Girly kei" is a broad umbrella for literally all girly fashion in Japan, it covers pretty much everything and isn't super useful. Fashion works fine for anything that doesn't fit a specific style.

wispydreamer said:

Also isn't larme-kei not a style? From what I understand it's not really considered something that actually exists because larme is just a mainstream fashion magazine and not one that's focused on a single style like GLB.

Yes, "Larme Kei" is a Western construction from a misunderstanding.

Quick edit: I do think the himekaji tag can and should stay and maybe even alias the hime gyaru tag to it because that's just himekaji gyaru.

No, himekaji is much more toned down than hime gyaru. It originated as a gyaru substyle and then became more generalized. The search you linked is a fraction of hime gyaru and not all of those posts are tagged hime gyaru, because a gyaru wearing himekaji =/= hime gyaru, an older substyle. Himekaji often also uses browns and tans which you don't see often in hime gyaru.

French girly is probably also keepable, post #9239436 and post #9096681 are basically the same outfit so it makes sense to have a tag that ties them together. I just don't think an umbrella tag for all of these is useful enough.

That would be likely because I was the one who made that tag and it wasn't as part of a "girly kei" umbrella project, just an individual style tag.

OP, I would suggest that you discuss before creating new tags, especially if they're umbrella tags like this, and also, if you're going to be adding fashion tags, please write a wiki that isn't just an empty wiki with OtherNames because these tags are not obvious to the average user.

(Additionally, while Aesthetics Wiki can be useful, I would avoid using it as the sole reference.)

@pipirupirupirupipirupi Can you please check tag group:fashion style at the very least before making new fashion tags? The ones you made yesterday are either duplicates (1980s clothing, 1990s clothing) or in a non-standard format (1970s clothing, 1960s clothing, 1950s clothing).